tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post5643996072476637361..comments2024-02-24T19:30:31.240-05:00Comments on Aut-2B-Home in Carolina: Autism in AdultsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-63393545864421492782008-11-13T23:44:00.000-05:002008-11-13T23:44:00.000-05:00I spoke too soon! LOL!In the material I have read ...I spoke too soon! LOL!<BR/><BR/>In the material I have read or viewed, Dr. Gutstein has not claimed these ideas are new. He has given credit to many authors and researchers and encourages parents and professionals to read their books. Some of the authors and researchers do attend RDI conferences as guest speakers. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Gutstein also states that he is organizing the research on the development of typical children and comparing it to that of autistic children to figure out the gaps in development. His approach is to autism is both cognitive and developmental and, since Dr. Feuerstein is a cognitive psychologist, it would make sense that their methods have common ground. I even ran a search on their last names and found no websites making your claim.<BR/><BR/>If we apply the same reasoning to ABA, one could state that Dr. Lovaas stole ideas from Dr. Skinner and today's generation of ABA experts steal from each other or from Lovaas. I prefer not to follow that path of reasoning because I believe it is a <A HREF="http://www.fallacyfiles.org/genefall.html" REL="nofollow">genetic fallacy</A>. Even if Dr. Gustein stole these ideas--which I doubt simply because he has credited so many others, the act of stealing does not render the ideas themselves wrong, just the method of obtaining them.<BR/><BR/>I think that the great thing about living in a free country is that I can choose RDI and other parents can choose ABA. I think RDI works because autistic children do have social brains like the rest of us and, once they begin to think in dynamic ways, their brains start to benefit from the naturally occurring reinforcement that comes from learning through guided participation. I do not prefer ABA because the techniques focus on static skills, introduce unnatural reinforcements, and rob children of the chance to think.<BR/><BR/>But, that is my opinion and I enjoyed having a spirited debate with you!walkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05046468024103932112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-40496795636050920622008-11-12T11:08:00.000-05:002008-11-12T11:08:00.000-05:00I think RDI is not an entirelyoriginal approach......I think RDI is not an entirely<BR/>original approach...RDI has <BR/>"stolen"ideas from R. Feuerstein<BR/>and many others....<BR/>and I think the RDI parent is <BR/>trying to transform himself<BR/>into a BIG BIG REINFORCE (and<BR/>ABA is about motivating and reinforcing...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-50451524992359445992008-11-07T08:15:00.000-05:002008-11-07T08:15:00.000-05:00Thank you all for your kind comments. I guess peop...Thank you all for your kind comments. I guess people who might get offended at my ABA comments have sense enough to skip my blog! LOL!walkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05046468024103932112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-49935015676068318322008-11-06T23:47:00.000-05:002008-11-06T23:47:00.000-05:00Terrific post Tammy! I am really enjoying learnin...Terrific post Tammy! I am really enjoying learning more about RDI through your posts and videos about Pamela. Not that I'm picking up any books enough, but I find I go for the RDI books I have more frequently than my ABA book these days.LAA and Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16587951326698052928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-54510501085676146142008-11-06T15:42:00.001-05:002008-11-06T15:42:00.001-05:00I love the Martin Luther quote, too.I love the Martin Luther quote, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-46754930054002369422008-11-06T15:42:00.000-05:002008-11-06T15:42:00.000-05:00I like the Christmas lights analogy. When "Marie" ...I like the Christmas lights analogy. <BR/><BR/>When "Marie" was evaluated by a neuropsych, many years ago, he really didn't address dynamic skills at all, nor did he acknowledge that her high I.Q. and verbal skills wouldn't guarantee success. I expressed a concern that things would get more difficult as Marie got older, when her book smarts wouldn't be enough. He dismissed my concern. "She'll compensate," he said. That never intuitively seemed right to me.<BR/><BR/>I used to be on a listserv with many adults with NonVerbal Learning Disability (which is basically a deficit in dynamic skills). There were many brilliant people there who'd excelled in school, earning graduate degrees, only to find they could not function in the professional world. It was heartbreaking. <BR/><BR/>Great post, Tammy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-64057338959625511632008-11-06T10:21:00.000-05:002008-11-06T10:21:00.000-05:00oh, how i love ur blog! sometimes, i feel like wh...oh, how i love ur blog! sometimes, i feel like what u're blogging about is way over my head - but most of the time, i learn sooo much! <BR/><BR/>"thought is free"<BR/><BR/>"allowed to discover"<BR/><BR/>love it!Mama Skateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10759832371415292719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-65598441948874676282008-11-04T20:39:00.000-05:002008-11-04T20:39:00.000-05:00This was a great entry, Tammy, and very timely for...This was a great entry, Tammy, and very timely for me. In fact, if you don't mind, I may print it out and keep in in my 'Words of Wisdom' notebook. <BR/><BR/>I know that I worry too frequently about academics and college. I've mentioned to you before that having my kids go to college on time (not when they are in their 20s), followed by getting 'good jobs', is the standard to which my extended family will hold me. And the studies you list and that I have read before just don't seem very promising. College doesn't equal keeping that 'good job' in a dynamic environment. <BR/><BR/>It would be great if we in the autism community could get this message out to more people. It gets frustrating when the examples of success that are held up are the ones who are still so static in their interactions, but are academically making it through in college. <BR/><BR/>I could go on and on, and maybe I will one day on my own blog, so as not to take up your space! Thanks for getting the message out there again!Niffercoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05064721506550680304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-6984065454912660212008-11-04T17:56:00.000-05:002008-11-04T17:56:00.000-05:00Oh, Tammy, I love your summary at the end. It mat...Oh, Tammy, I love your summary at the end. It matches our experience. ABA was about getting her to DO something, RDI is allowing her to discover. Beautiful!Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03646382031666180357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-83998814249151412542008-11-04T16:32:00.000-05:002008-11-04T16:32:00.000-05:00Poohder, here is a GREAT quote from Martin Luther ...Poohder, here is a GREAT quote from Martin Luther that I know you will love, "However strict their orders, and however much they [coersive secular authorities] rage, they cannot force people to do more obery by word and deed; they cannot compel the heart, even if they were to tear themselves apart trying. There is truth in the saying: Thought is free. All they achieve is to force people with weak consciences to lie, to perjure themselves, saying one thing while in their hearts they believe another." (I got that from the book, <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964210428?ie=UTF8&tag=aut2bhomincar-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0964210428" REL="nofollow">Never Before in History</A>).walkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05046468024103932112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-63390538547485941662008-11-04T12:51:00.000-05:002008-11-04T12:51:00.000-05:00Susan, I was hoping I wouldn't create WWIII.Rhonda...Susan, I was hoping I wouldn't create WWIII.<BR/><BR/>Rhonda, thanks, I will check it out. Dr. G was going to do a webinar on this, but the computer system at the Gilbert School was NOT cooperating that day. So, he is going to reschedule.walkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05046468024103932112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-58922275469351957602008-11-04T12:37:00.000-05:002008-11-04T12:37:00.000-05:00Tammy, here is a link to Employability skills for ...Tammy, here is a link to Employability skills for 2000+ as written by the Conference Board of Canada. The list begins on page 2. Most items listed are DYNAMIC<BR/>skills vs Static skills. Dr. G. referenced this list a few years ago and I thought it was very eye opening. Rhonda<BR/><BR/>http://www.conferenceboard.ca/Libraries/EDUC_PUBLIC/esp2000.sflbpoohderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16850097213864424870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35650510.post-24222283191375709162008-11-04T09:33:00.000-05:002008-11-04T09:33:00.000-05:00AMEN!! I couldn't agree more... It is sooo good ...AMEN!! I couldn't agree more... It is sooo good to see in writing what I also believe so strongly. Sometimes I get discouraged with all of those around me in the autism community thinking that teaching behavior is going to allow them to succeed later in life and truly have a quality of life that everyone deserves and wants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com